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 Posted: Dec 25, 2019 05:57PM
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Like many of you I have been on this board for 20+ years, into the 90s. At times some of us say there’s no moderators however Don has moderated this forum for himself.  You guys are not alone I’ve been banned by Don my account deleted for my own A*** part in this thing. Don does pay attention and there’s been other posters who riled me I think one guy about politics or something I just stopped reading anything he posted and after a bit I took a break myself. After 20 years I would hope we have changed, maybe, maybe not.


Now is to new minis versus old minis I’ve had my mark one mini for 41 years now my thought on the whole new versus old stuff and it went from 60s minis to 80s minis to 2000 minis my understanding was always that the attraction of a mini was because an every day owner could do the work himself. Quite frankly I’m surprised that with a couple little books I’ve been able to keep my car on the road for 40 years. Knock on wood. After Mini’s move through the years in time people could not work on them themselves. Just my thought cheers Scott

 Posted: Dec 23, 2019 04:23PM
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dan..well. the classic of course.. as it is  always going to  be COOL.   funny.. when I pull off to stoplight everyone is texting.. like MAD.. guess. they never listen to radio anymore..  like the great WNCW.. I never even carry a cell phone in the car. unless I am making road trip over 100 miles. then I just stick in the dash and it is cut OFF..

 Posted: Dec 23, 2019 06:59AM
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Originally Posted by mokehead
whee.. I saw on PBS. recently. that the average.person under 30 years old .  NOTE average.. person. spend  NINE hours a day looking at their smart phone EVERY day.. and when have you seen anyone under 30 years wanting to me a real Classic mini??  
Yesterday actually My daughter is taking getting her permit Monday and asked me "which Mini" she is going to learn to drive on...


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"Hang on a minute lads....I've got a great idea."

 Posted: Dec 23, 2019 06:57AM
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The only thing that could save this forum is strong, consistent and constant, fair moderation. To:

3) Prune out the spam ads for escorts, passports, and counterfeit money promptly, not to mention the phishing replies that stick around for days or weeks. (i.e. someone says on a thread "I agree - check out this <phishing/spam link.>")

Actually, somebody IS moderating to the point of deleting such postings very quickly. When I spot such a post, I flag it (and the poster) as probable spam to warn other members. Somebody deleted the offending posts within hours, if not minutes. The first clue is when the poster posts to one or more older threads whit the phishing link in their post, on the same day they register.

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"Hang on a minute lads....I've got a great idea."

 Posted: Dec 23, 2019 06:01AM
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Originally Posted by mokehead
whee.. I saw on PBS. recently. that the average.person under 30 years old .  NOTE average.. person. spend  NINE hours a day looking at their smart phone EVERY day.. and when have you seen anyone under 30 years wanting to me a real Classic mini??  
Yesterday actually My daughter is taking getting her permit Monday and asked me "which Mini" she is going to learn to drive on...

 Posted: Dec 22, 2019 04:45PM
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It's true that younger people (and people in general) are going away from forums to things like Facebook for persistent content. But I don't think that's the main problem here, since as one of, if not the, major Mini part vendor in North America, there are always going to be eyes pulled here if it's worth seeing.

Besides declining interest in autos in general, the big Mini specific problem is that the Mini was never a major seller in the USA. There aren't very many of them, relative to other cars, in North America generally. Probably Canada is better off in that respect since they sold them new for a lot longer time than in the USA, and the British influences are probably a lot stronger there (more people per capita who remember Minis when they were new.)

Here, there are still plenty of young people who are into musclecars, VW bugs, and Japanese small cars, because they grew up with them, they're plentiful, and relatively inexpensive for samples you can still drive every day. Not so for the Mini.

The one hope is that MINI owners would eventually take an interest in original Minis, the way owners of liquid-cooled Porsches are now driving strong interest in air-cooled 911 models (and even 912s.) The prices of those soared unbelievably in the last decade, though they're cooling off now.

But that's a long shot, and certainly won't happen if old coots and their washed-up sycophant buddies jump on every MINI thread telling the owners how stupid they were to buy a MINI.



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 Posted: Dec 22, 2019 04:06PM
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whee.. I saw on PBS. recently. that the average.person under 30 years old .  NOTE average.. person. spend  NINE hours a day looking at their smart phone EVERY day.. and when have you seen anyone under 30 years wanting to me a real Classic mini??  

 Posted: Dec 22, 2019 12:07PM
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Originally Posted by bluedragon
The only thing that could save this forum is strong, consistent and constant, fair moderation. To:

1) Weed out the trolls and so-called "humorists" who don't just keep their BS in their own threads with their "buddies" but jump on other people's threads and pollute them too. 

2) When so-called veterans put down newcomers and people who start MINI threads, boot them too. I'll bet that's why some people have been booted recently. If they start up again after creating new accounts, send them packing again.

Telling MINI owners to get a "real Mini" doesn't help our hosts' business at all, and without new blood, most of the current audience will die off of old age within a decade or two, sad to say.

3) Prune out the spam ads for escorts, passports, and counterfeit money promptly, not to mention the phishing replies that stick around for days or weeks. (i.e. someone says on a thread "I agree - check out this <phishing/spam link.>")

It would be tough to revive this given the lack of young people entering the classic Mini world, but it could be at least kept alive if not growing if someone spent as little as 30 minutes a day once a day to check the forum for the above three problems, and clean them up.


Do you think it's a lack of young people entering the classic Mini world, or are they just hanging out in different places to us old fogies? I have to admit this board is so unwelcoming, I probably would be elsewhere if I were starting out new in the Mini world.

 Posted: Dec 22, 2019 09:07AM
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nah..  but do have couple 30 year olds.. with big headlights., no rust.. skin fits... living in white trash trailer park down the street..  think  it will keep me busy IF I adopt them??fyi I just  found 18 mokes..  and adopted them kind of busy with them..

 Posted: Dec 22, 2019 09:06AM
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 Posted: Dec 22, 2019 07:21AM
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Originally Posted by oldminimover49
Moke Head, try finding God, it may help


BIG AL
It might not help him much, but at least it would keep him busy for a while.

 Posted: Dec 22, 2019 06:51AM
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Moke Head, try finding God, it may help


BIG AL

Niagara Ontario Canada

 Posted: Dec 21, 2019 08:48PM
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1963SV2 yea when you can NOT login in. you have been BANNED..same here.. indifferent  the werewolf is NOT gone..   just in drag.. these days..

 Posted: Dec 21, 2019 03:19PM
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The only thing that could save this forum is strong, consistent and constant, fair moderation. To:

1) Weed out the trolls and so-called "humorists" who don't just keep their BS in their own threads with their "buddies" but jump on other people's threads and pollute them too. 

2) When so-called veterans put down newcomers and people who start MINI threads, boot them too. I'll bet that's why some people have been booted recently. If they start up again after creating new accounts, send them packing again.

Telling MINI owners to get a "real Mini" doesn't help our hosts' business at all, and without new blood, most of the current audience will die off of old age within a decade or two, sad to say.

3) Prune out the spam ads for escorts, passports, and counterfeit money promptly, not to mention the phishing replies that stick around for days or weeks. (i.e. someone says on a thread "I agree - check out this <phishing/spam link.>")

It would be tough to revive this given the lack of young people entering the classic Mini world, but it could be at least kept alive if not growing if someone spent as little as 30 minutes a day once a day to check the forum for the above three problems, and clean them up.


DLY
 Posted: Dec 20, 2019 08:03PM
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If we are going there, the reason I left was Don began editing my posts or just deleting them. The deleting
didn't bother me as much as changing the content. I take it that after a 5 plus year absence my log in was deleted as well.
Of course it is his board and his ball his rules. And yes, if you are not happy here you, me or anyone else can
pack it in. Steve (CTR)

 Posted: Dec 20, 2019 06:43PM
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Originally Posted by CooperTune
You still think you know things that just are not so. Call Don and ask him, he will tell you only one person
has ever been banned. Come back and tell us what you found out. Steve (CTR)
Nice to find out you are unique..... (although I don’t really believe it)

I once posted some data that showed MM was vastly overcharging for items that could readily be purchased elsewhere in the US.  Soon after any attempt to log in resulted in a message something along the lines of “that login is not valid...”

Perhaps I wasn’t “banned” ..just “excluded” ..or some other lawyerly term for “chucked out “

Cheers, Ian

 Posted: Dec 20, 2019 06:24PM
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You still think you know things that just are not so. Call Don and ask him, he will tell you only one person
has ever been banned. Come back and tell us what you found out. Steve (CTR)

 Posted: Dec 20, 2019 05:24PM
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Originally Posted by CooperTune
I first came here after retiring and becoming Mr. Mom for my 2 month old son. In my spare time I visited here
often and was able to move a $40,000 collection of MK 1 parts from a 30 year hobby. I built a classic mini on
the pages of this board. Sharing pics and text from bare shell to complete car. At that time there was a great
group around the world with a common interest and good will toward each other. One could ask for a part and
have three offers in no time at all. The same with offering something for sale. And then along came a disruptor
some one good with a computer and no respect for anyone. Things were said people started acting unkindly
toward each other. Many tried to change the tone but that was not to be. I'm not proud of how I behaved and
as a result I closed my computer and did not return for 5 plus years. When I did return there was this Tony guy
once again a disruptor in our mists. I survived that by following a simple rule. If I saw a post he had replied to
I did not open it. I have come to the conclusion there are people out there who need the attention, maybe it's
something in their past or who knows.? Maybe it's time to let Jim and the new MINI group have this place and
move to the MK1 board where that crap is not allowed. I think it's to late to save the board no longer enough
people here who care. Just what I think. Steve (CTR)
Wasn't it the same time Don R. banned you from this very same forum for five years?
Imagine selling what you took and swapped or sold could be worth today.

 Posted: Dec 20, 2019 11:35AM
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The Lotus and Caterham 7 forums have been great for me, this one too ever since a troll left. I think it can be good again. What other options are out there besides in the UK?

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I'm glad this came up because I have an opinion.  You see, since the 1990's - I was active on the old BBS systems around car fans alike....which then moved into standard forum activity from then on.  Safe to say that I have been active on many car forums which had a huge diversity of people and opinions.  Much of the positive in my past experience has been 1) most people are willing to help someone out with a question and 2) forum brethren has always been open to new people and very welcoming.  I got used to that over the years - especially with the Miata masses, BMW fans, Nissan nutters, VW gurus, etc....all of those I hold with high regard.

Now I am not going to sit here and say that was there any negativity on those other forums?  Sure.  Did anything ever get personal?  Sure.  Did I ever make mistakes and say things myself that were hurtful?  Sure.  But there is one thing that was always consistent - well run forums by people who give HOURS of precious time to allow a home for us to have conversations and gently police those conversations when needed.

So now fast forward to Mini Mania...I have been on the fence with this forum since I came here back in 2012.  On the good side - my Mini would not even be here today (and running) if it were not for several people I hold with the utmost respect for on this forum.  It simply would not even be a question to the support I have received and kindness shown.  On the bad side - it really was apparent when I joined and continues today.  Therefore I am not here as much (or even daily) because of some of the hard remarks I may have received from a simple question I was asking - or seeing that to others.  Couple that with the fact that the Mini I bought from someone on this forum (through a recommendation) was not what was sold to me and now I have to bare that burden going forward - much like a stain on a beautiful canvas - simply because I was naive and uneducated at the time - and allowed others to take advantage of what we call today a "n00b".  For that alone, I have made every effort to help other "n00b's" navigate this forum as well as other to get the correct info and a recommend place that embraces questions without someone cutting them down for asking....or a negative poster who continues to take over a thread with a fairly personal argument with someone else - and the thread just changes tone very quickly.

So it is my hopes that the MM moderators/owners take a look again at guidelines they have setup...review the posting rules...look at other forums/communities that do it great and improve upon where they are today.  I like MM - I buy from MM a lot and I also have a lot of posts here, but this forum just has something odd about it and maybe it is simply indicative of a classic car that is surrounded by experts who know the car well and over time, just loose the passion...I dont know.  But I am hopeful that things will get better here because it is such a wealth of knowledge here, sometimes stained by bad apples who continue to be a barrier for new people who share the same passion as all of us - the classic mini.

/// Basil - 1974 Mini 1000 /// THE BLOG: www.thebluepotato.net/blog

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