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 Posted: Sep 1, 2019 03:08PM
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Thanks Doug, looks like my sister won't be retiring just yet then!
I suspect, as I said previous he put the 1275cc engine into it at some stage, however, it is still a 1963 Mini Cooper and must be worth something?
However, we shall still dig around and see what we can find out about it's exact identity.
He purchased the car in the 70's and the last MOT was in 1984, it has sat in the garage eversince!
Thanks again,
Lyn

 Posted: Sep 1, 2019 02:33PM
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To be fair, it could be a 1071 Cooper-S or it could be a 1071 Cooper -S where the original 1071 was replaced with a 1275.  What it cannot be is a numbers matching, 1963, 1275 Cooper -S.  The 1275 was not introduced until mid-1964. 

In a most inaccessible place on the back of the engine block is usually a metal tag stating the displacement of the engine.  You may also want to look for that plate to confirm this is a 1275.  

Bill (thewerewolf) suggested you might want a copy of Parnell's book.  It is sort of the go to reference book for when changes were made to the Cooper-S.  If you plan on keeping this car it will be a nice addition to your collection.

Doug L.
 Posted: Sep 1, 2019 01:17PM
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Thanks guys for the advice I will try to follow through it.
Just to confirm Doug, if I have read you correctly it cannot be an 'S' as the registration document clearly states first registration June 1963, therefore there is a possibility that he put the 1275cc engine (Which is also stated on the registration document) into the car himself (He was a mechanic)
Lyn

 Posted: Sep 1, 2019 11:03AM
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While you are waiting on the certificate... 
Look up the engine number to confirm the engine size.
Look on the wiper motor cover for the month and year date stamp.
Look at the floor mounted dim/dip switch for the headlights for its month and year date stamp.
Look at the boot lock for its month and year date stamp.
Look at the sliding window latches.  They should be chrome plated metal and the tracks for the latches should have lots of holes.

If it is a 1963, it can be a standard saloon, a Cooper, or an -S.  If it is a Cooper it would have been built with a 997cc engine.  If it is an -S, it would have been built with a 1071cc.  The 1275 was not introduced until mid-year 1964.

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 Posted: Sep 1, 2019 07:38AM
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A production certificate from British Motor Heritage Trust will indicate whether is a Cooper or a Cooper S.

 Posted: Aug 31, 2019 07:42PM
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lyn.. you need to buy Parnells book ORIGINAL MINI COOPER on  Cooper and cooper S. or just get BMHT cert for about 80 quid.. www.bmh-ltd.com   if you post the vin and engine number one of the old time experts can tell you. as I am FAR for the expert on coopers.s   also post the Front end number..  I have sold 550 plus minis and mokes in the last 22 years.. but only a couple real cooper s.s.  later bc

 Posted: Aug 31, 2019 04:24PM
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Hi all,
Wonder if anyone can help, my late brother in law has a Mini Cooper 1963 1275cc, he always told us it was a Cooper "S"
however, the registration doc just says Morris Mini Cooper Saloon the engine number is 9FDSAY----  and the frame number KA2S4/38---7
all the identification thingys on the web, I have looked at would suggest it is an "S" but my sister says it is not. Can anyone tell us how/ if we can find out?
Any info much appreciated, I have blocked out the full numbers as not sure whether it is wise to give them out publicly???

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