Cooper S 1966 or 1967
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If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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despatched date - July 12, 1966
destination - Personal Export Delivery
wiper motor - 5 66
boot latch - 23 66
rear glass - RT = second quarter 1966
Original owner lived in Boston, picked up mini in UK and shipped it to US.
On Bat 67 S the wiper motor is either 6 66, 4 66, 6 64 or 4 64. It is difficult to read.
any idea what the triangle thing is on the wiper motor.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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American cars and truck makers caused the same confusion with their own models.
I am certain they do that stuff to keep us on our toes. For example;
An early in the year '55 Chevy truck looks like a '54. A mid-year one is a whole new body-style, but they are both regarded as '55s and rightly so.
Ford's very first 1/2 year car was the 63 and 1/2 Galaxie 500 XL, I had one.
The only difference was it came with a fast-back instead of the box-top because they started winning at NASCAR that year. The fast back out-sold the earlier in the year box-top.
Then came the 64 and 1/2 Mustang ('65).
An finally, the '84 Corvette made in early '83. Corvette skipped over 1983 entirely.
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interesting feedback.
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With a build date of July 6, 1966 the BaT original owner would have purchased and registered the mini almost 6 months later beginning with January 1, 1967. This car built in 1966 is then actually referred to as a 1967.
My Mini S was registered in England in July and was issued a plate ending in “D” which indicates it would be considered a 1966 mini (in England). The car was driven about 3,000 miles in England and then shipped to the USA and registered sometime during the 4th quarter of 1966 making it a 1966 Mini (in USA). If it had been shipped later and registered in early 1967 then it would be considered a 1967 (in USA).
do I have this correct?
Q2
Therefore if I were to ask if a 1967 Mini is more desirable than a 1966 Mini the only logical answer would be - “that is a silly question”.
Do I have this correct?
Q3
the BMI Heritage Trust Certificate is used primarily to determine if all the parts are original to the car, what the original options were and what the original color was. It can not be used to determine “the year” of the car.
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Q1 - the registration in England as a '66 and then as a '67 in the U.S. is baffling. Let's just file that under "special circumstances" and leave it out of the equation. If a new Mini was manufactured in the latter half of 1966, it would most likely have been registered and sold as a '67 in the U.S. This practice is still common today. For example, I bought my wife's 2015 Mazda brand new in October 2014. That's how it works.
Q2 - That's a silly question. A Mk1 Mini Cooper S is a desirable car, no matter the year. Some folks have a preference for a 1071 or 970 over a 1275 (or vice versa), so I'd really only differentiate between the motor size rather than the build year. Sellers will often tout the "last year made!!" as some kind of selling point, but that rarely - if ever - adds any value to the car.
Q3 - That entirely depend's on your state's DMV how they interpret this data, since it could be theoretically argued to prove the year of the vehicle. I'm quite sure I could stand in line all day and argue with the DMV clerk at my local California office, waving the BMHT certificate as proof to change my car's stated year from 1967 to 1966, but what good would that do me? It was sold new as a '67 anyway, even if it was built in October 1966. I have better things to do...
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Q1
With a build date of July 6, 1966 the BaT original owner would have purchased and registered the mini almost 6 months later beginning with January 1, 1967. This car built in 1966 is then actually referred to as a 1967.
My Mini S was registered in England in July and was issued a plate ending in “D” which indicates it would be considered a 1966 mini (in England). The car was driven about 3,000 miles in England and then shipped to the USA and registered sometime during the 4th quarter of 1966 making it a 1966 Mini (in USA). If it had been shipped later and registered in early 1967 then it would be considered a 1967 (in USA).
do I have this correct?
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Therefore if I were to ask if a 1967 Mini is more desirable than a 1966 Mini the only logical answer would be - “that is a silly question”.
Do I have this correct?
Q3
the BMI Heritage Trust Certificate is used primarily to determine if all the parts are original to the car, what the original options were and what the original color was. It can not be used to determine “the year” of the car.
Do I have this correct?
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Since there is no such thing as a '74 Cooper S (assuming UK-built), that should have been your first clue this guy didn't know what he's talking about!
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A car is usually aged by date of first registration not by its build date, which is generally impossible to ascertain.
We also don't do model years.
My '68 Elf (registered Jan 23rd) was actually built some time in July 1967, but is still classed as a '68.
Correct, except that in the case of BMC cars, the Heritage Certificate clearly documents the build date.
I'm in the same boat. My October 10, 1966 build date Cooper S was sold originally as a 1967 model year - complete with added "67 BMC" tag adjacent to the Chassis tag, as was common on BMC imports during that period (at least on the West Coast).
My car is still titled as a '67, and as much as I'd like to change that to reflect the Heritage Certificate, it's ultimately considered a '67 car in the U.S.
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A car is usually aged by date of first registration not by its build date, which is generally impossible to ascertain.
We also don't do model years.
My '68 Elf (registered Jan 23rd) was actually built some time in July 1967, but is still classed as a '68.
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based upon the facts presented please render your opinion
- what facts lead you to say it is a 1966
- what facts lead you to say it is a 1967
do you need additional facts?
i am trying to learn something here no matter how silly you may think the question is!
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Pretty silly question really.... Do you mean a US convention 66, a UK convention 66, build date 66???
In the US cars were released as a "66" model- with specification or trim differences to make the punters want to upgrade. In the UK they were registered with a number that reflected the date of registration (a 66 would be a "D" registration). Model designation was just a bit of social one-upmanship... After 50 years its all a bit irrelevant.
So, we know it was built in 66 but any notion of its being a 66 or 67 "model" just doesn't make sense..... it depends totally on your definition of "model".
My real beef is with those marketing fake (sorry, I mean replica) ID plates....
You pays your money and takes your chances.....
Cheers, Ian
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i enjoy looking at the minis on BaT.
i check the photos to see where things go and what colors certain parts are.
i also enjoy the comments from the mini experts out there.
I do not know what I do not know, BaT helps.
so... is the mini on BaT a 66 rather than a 67?
1966 Austin Cooper S
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