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 Posted: Apr 9, 2018 12:02PM
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Originally Posted by mur
The headlights switch has nothing to do with the turn signals.

turn signals are powered via the ignition-unlike the horn, the headlights or the Hazards. There is a little complexity because the hazard switch toggles between signals ON with ignition, and 4 way flashers ON at any time. Here is a descriptive article.

https://www.minimania.com/MK_III_Turn_Signals_and_Hazard_Switches

The turn signal/ multi function switch does three things:horn, signals and high/low beam, however the mechanical action of the three switches and the wiring do not rely on each other.

It does sound like your switch is broken, however the way to troubleshoot this is to check the fuse, then check that power is routed through the hazard switch and to the flasher, then check that the flasher works. One can always connect the two green wires at the signals flasher and the signal lamps will turn on, but not flash.
My bad it was the Hazard in my example.....regardless....junk toggles.

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 Posted: Apr 9, 2018 07:15AM
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The headlights switch has nothing to do with the turn signals.

turn signals are powered via the ignition-unlike the horn, the headlights or the Hazards. There is a little complexity because the hazard switch toggles between signals ON with ignition, and 4 way flashers ON at any time. Here is a descriptive article.

https://www.minimania.com/MK_III_Turn_Signals_and_Hazard_Switches

The turn signal/ multi function switch does three things:horn, signals and high/low beam, however the mechanical action of the three switches and the wiring do not rely on each other.

It does sound like your switch is broken, however the way to troubleshoot this is to check the fuse, then check that power is routed through the hazard switch and to the flasher, then check that the flasher works. One can always connect the two green wires at the signals flasher and the signal lamps will turn on, but not flash.

 Posted: Apr 8, 2018 11:37AM
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The electrical gods aren't with me.  Last month it was the brake lights.  That turned out to be the switch in the pedal area, and they now work.  Trouble is, the turn signals stopped working on the way to get the switch. The shop did a fair amount of trouble shooting with no success, so I need some help.  The 4-way flashers DO work, so we know it's not something stupid like bulbs or wiring to the lights themselves.  I'm inclined to think it's the stalk, because they were working most of the drive over there.  At one point I needed to use them, and noticed the stalk was unaccountably in the right turn position, with no panel light on.  How it got that way, I don't know.  The turn signals haven't been cancelling for about a month, so I've been very careful to return the stalk to the neutral position after every use, checking the panel lights to make sure.  Maybe I goofed, but I don't think so. 

In the research I've done on this site, it appears that it can't be the stalk switch if the horn works, which it does.  Is that true?  A couple of other threads mentioned cycling the 4-way flashers about 30 times, which I tried.  No good.  What is the next logical step?  Is it worth installing a new stalk (and fixing the cancel mechanism)?  Or does anyone else have a suggestion?  Fuses seem to be intact.
Its your Headlight switch - I have same problem....that is why I am ditching all the Delta (square toggles on Mk3/4) based switches (all new and COMPLETE garbage) and going with solid state toggles by Wired by Wilson out of UK.  Just learning that new parts for a classic mini can still be a HUGE waste of $$$ sometimes.

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 Posted: Apr 8, 2018 10:16AM
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Originally Posted by kd
I think you have Rob's old Mini. There are two flasher relay units. One operates the four ways hazards and the other the flashers. The flashers and the four ways are in unison in the wiring.  So, for a quick check. turn the hazards on and determine which on is which. You will hear it clicking under the bonnet. Switch one for the other.
As for the canceling there is a pin in the bottom of the steering wheel that fits between a plastic piece on the steering column.   Remove the big plastic cowing and tighten the screw in the bracket assuring that it is in the correct location to be able to refit the cover,
Deb
Yes, I do, kd.  Thanks for the info.  It gives me something to work on!

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 Posted: Apr 8, 2018 07:03AM
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I think you have Rob's old Mini. There are two flasher relay units. One operates the four ways hazards and the other the flashers. The flashers and the four ways are in unison in the wiring.  So, for a quick check. turn the hazards on and determine which on is which. You will hear it clicking under the bonnet. Switch one for the other.
As for the canceling there is a pin in the bottom of the steering wheel that fits between a plastic piece on the steering column.   Remove the big plastic cowing and tighten the screw in the bracket assuring that it is in the correct location to be able to refit the cover,
Deb

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 Posted: Apr 8, 2018 06:30AM
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Originally Posted by 6464
more likely, the problem is at the headlight switch. is the mini a later mini with six pins on the back of the switch? if it is, the female sockets spread apart do to the heat. they need to be removed from the plastic block and squeezed a little tighter.


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 Posted: Apr 8, 2018 05:04AM
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more likely, the problem is at the hazard switch. is the mini a later mini with six pins on the back of the switch? if it is, the female sockets spread apart do to the heat. they need to be removed from the plastic block and squeezed a little tighter.

 Posted: Apr 8, 2018 12:39AM
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You mention a "four way flasher" so I'm assuming you mean the hazard light function which would make the car MK4 on. There are separate relays on the this model for the indicators and the hazards so checking the flasher relays first would be a good start. Most common location for them is inside the engine bay next to the wiper motor.

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Make, model, and year of car? You photo shows Mini and MINI.

 Posted: Apr 7, 2018 06:44PM
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The electrical gods aren't with me.  Last month it was the brake lights.  That turned out to be the switch in the pedal area, and they now work.  Trouble is, the turn signals stopped working on the way to get the switch. The shop did a fair amount of trouble shooting with no success, so I need some help.  The 4-way flashers DO work, so we know it's not something stupid like bulbs or wiring to the lights themselves.  I'm inclined to think it's the stalk, because they were working most of the drive over there.  At one point I needed to use them, and noticed the stalk was unaccountably in the right turn position, with no panel light on.  How it got that way, I don't know.  The turn signals haven't been cancelling for about a month, so I've been very careful to return the stalk to the neutral position after every use, checking the panel lights to make sure.  Maybe I goofed, but I don't think so. 

In the research I've done on this site, it appears that it can't be the stalk switch if the horn works, which it does.  Is that true?  A couple of other threads mentioned cycling the 4-way flashers about 30 times, which I tried.  No good.  What is the next logical step?  Is it worth installing a new stalk (and fixing the cancel mechanism)?  Or does anyone else have a suggestion?  Fuses seem to be intact.