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 Posted: Apr 27, 2020 04:27AM
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I was first introduced to Tafficators on that car


Big AL

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Glad you got over the phobia.
My Uncle Bob took the drivetrain from a Prefect (no idea which year) and cut it down to make a garden tractor. The rear axle was shortened to about 3' wide and the driveshaft and torque tube enclosing the drive shaft were shortened to about 15". He did a good job because neither me or my 3 brothers were able to kill it. We tried!

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"Hang on a minute lads....I've got a great idea."

 Posted: Apr 26, 2020 09:09AM
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Back on track:

Did l ever confess to anyone here that my first Brit car was a 1949 Prefect ?

Put me off Brit cars for 37 years

Big AL

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Yeah... resurrected by a "new member" single poster about a Citroen, no less.
Gotta keep your eyes open for those.

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"Hang on a minute lads....I've got a great idea."

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Holy thread resurrection Batman! Last post before the resurrection was 2015.......

 

 

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Originally Posted by jchealey
We have a member of our club that attends meetings of ACCC which tries to keep track of all these laws. He said at the last meeting a government official said that old cars should be in a museum, never driven. But, the good news is most of their proposed laws never pass or get implemented. I have no idea what the above stuff really means. I have a guess that we will mostly original cars may be ok, but the Hot Rods may not. this type of stuff always makes me wonder when they are going after boats and planes. Both spew out lots of emissions. Jerry
As do government officials.

 

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Hi Pauline, you were able to register your Citroen without any problem?

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title in another state is the ONLY option.NO way to  get around CARB..rules.. in Calli

 Posted: May 22, 2015 03:42PM
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Thank thewerewolf for your answer. Well, I gonna give a try to the letter at first... If it doesn't work, hopefully DMV will accept to send me back all the original documents and I may try to get the title in another state... bummer. Do you have any other advices?

 Posted: May 18, 2015 04:11PM
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 pauline.. yes..  you can get letter from Andre Citroen.. BUTas for your  your 2cv..NO.being 1986  . think it has to be pre 68?? with VIN 2014. 14. with CARB.   but I MIGHT be wrong. on the year..  as my friends Citroen DS was 1973.. and it was imported to USA. that year..  all you do is title in another state..now.. 

 Posted: May 18, 2015 03:06PM
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So who do they consider "elderly" or low income..........I'm an old geezer who makes not quite enough to live?

Mini's are like buses they come along in a bunch

 Posted: May 18, 2015 02:04PM
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We have a member of our club that attends meetings of ACCC which tries to keep track of all these laws. He said at the last meeting a government official said that old cars should be in a museum, never driven. But, the good news is most of their proposed laws never pass or get implemented. I have no idea what the above stuff really means. I have a guess that we will mostly original cars may be ok, but the Hot Rods may not. this type of stuff always makes me wonder when they are going after boats and planes. Both spew out lots of emissions.

Jerry

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I don't want to be a reactionary but check this new legislation out- California Vehicle Industry News 2014-14 | Vehicle Import and Car Importing FAQ This is the specific section, which are some of the original certification information from for 1966-1970 light duty motor vehicles. 43654 43654. 1966–1970 light duty motor vehicles(a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (b), every 1966 through 1970 light-duty motor vehicle, subject to registration in this state, shall be equipped with a certified device to control its exhaust emission of oxides of nitrogen upon initial registration, upon transfer of ownership and registration, and upon registration of a motor vehicle previously registered outside this state.(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to a 1966 through 1970 light-duty motor vehicle (1) which is registered to, or subject to registration by, an elderly low-income person, (2) which was purchased from a person other than a dealer or a person holding a retail seller’s permit, and (3) which is used principally by or for the benefit of the elderly low-income person. However, only one vehicle described above shall be registered to, or subject to registration by, the elderly low-income person at any one time.(c) For purposes of subdivision (b), the Department of Motor Vehicles may require satisfactory proof (1) of the age of the transferee of the motor vehicle, (2) of the combined adjusted gross income of the household in which the transferee resides, and (3) that the transferor of the motor vehicle is a person other than a dealer or a person holding a retail seller’s permit.Added Stats 1975 ch 957 § 12. Amended Stats 1976 ch 231 § 3; Stats 1977 ch 1083 § 1, effective September 27, 1977; Stats 1982 ch 664 § 2. Direct Import vehicle definition. 39024.6. “Direct import vehicle”“Direct import vehicle” means any light-duty motor vehicle manufactured outside of the United States which was not intended by the manufacturer for sale in the United States and which was not certified by the state board pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 43100) of Chapter 2 of Part 5. Used direct import vehicle as defined in chapter 44200 § 44200. “Used direct import vehicle”For purposes of this chapter, “used direct import vehicle” means any 1975 or later model-year direct import vehicle not required to be certified as a new direct import vehicle pursuant to this part.For purposes of this section, the age of a motor vehicle shall be determined by the following, in descending order of preference:(a) From the first calendar day of the model year as indicated in the vehicle identification number.(b) From the last calendar day of the month the vehicle was delivered by the manufacturer as shown on the foreign title document.(c) From January 1 of the same calendar year as the model year shown on the foreign title document.(d) From the last calendar day of the month the foreign title document was issued. 4000.1. Pollution control device; Certificate or statement (a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of this section, or subdivision (b) of Section 43654 of the Health and Safety Code, the department shall require upon initial registration, and upon transfer of ownership and registration, of any motor vehicle subject to Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, a valid certificate of compliance or a certificate of noncompliance, as appropriate, issued in accordance with Section 44015 of the Health and Safety Code. (b) With respect to new motor vehicles certified pursuant to Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 43100) of Part 5 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, the department shall accept a statement completed pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 24007 in lieu of the certificate of compliance. (c) For purposes of determining the validity of a certificate of compliance or noncompliance submitted in compliance with the requirements of this section, the definitions of new and used motor vehicle contained in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 39010) of Part 1 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code shall control. (d) Subdivision (a) does not apply to a transfer of ownership and registration under any of the following circumstances:(1) The initial application for transfer is submitted within the 90-day validity period of a smog certificate as specified in Section 44015 of the Health and Safety Code. (2) The transferor is the parent, grandparent, sibling, child, grandchild, or spouse of the transferee. (3) A motor vehicle registered to a sole proprietorship is transferred to the proprietor as owner. (4) The transfer is between companies the principal business of which is leasing motor vehicles, if there is no change in the lessee or operator of the motor vehicle or between the lessor and the person who has been, for at least one year, the lessee’s operator of the motor vehicle. (5) The transfer is between the lessor and lessee of the motor vehicle, if there is no change in the lessee or operator of the motor vehicle. (6) The motor vehicle was manufactured prior to the 1976 model-year.(7) Except for diesel-powered vehicles, the transfer is for a motor vehicle that is four or less model-years old. The department shall impose a fee of eight dollars ($8) on the transferee of a motor vehicle that is four or less model-years old. Revenues generated from the imposition of that fee shall be deposited into the Vehicle Inspection and Repair Fund. (e) The State Air Resources Board, under Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, may exempt designated classifications of motor vehicles from subdivision (a) as it deems necessary, and shall notify the department of that action. (f) Subdivision (a) does not apply to a motor vehicle when an additional individual is added as a registered owner of the motor vehicle. (g) For purposes of subdivision (a), any collector motor vehicle, as defined in Section 259, is exempt from those portions of the test required by subdivision (f) of Section 44012 of the Health and Safety Code, if the collector motor vehicle meets all of the following criteria: (1) Submission of proof that the motor vehicle is insured as a collector motor vehicle, as shall be required by regulation of the bureau. (2) The motor vehicle is at least 35 model-years old. (3) The motor vehicle complies with the exhaust emissions standards for that motor vehicle’s class and model year as prescribed by the department, and the motor vehicle passes a functional inspection of the fuel cap and a visual inspection for liquid fuel leaks. § 4000.2. Pollution control compliance certificate for vehicles previously registered outside state (a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (b) of Section 43654 of the Health and Safety Code, and, commencing on April 1, 2005, except for model–years exempted from biennial inspection pursuant to Section 44011 of the Health and Safety Code, the department shall require upon registration of a motor vehicle subject to Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, previously registered outside this state, a valid certificate of compliance or a certificate of noncompliance, as appropriate, issued in accordance with Section 44015 of the Health and Safety Code. (b) For the purposes of determining the validity of a certificate of compliance or noncompliance submitted in compliance with the requirements of this section, the definitions of new and used motor vehicle contained in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 39010) of Part 1 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code shall control. 44015. Certification of certain vehicles prohibited; Issuance of certificates; Repair cost waivers; Economic hardship extensions; Responsibility of licensed motor vehicle dealers(a) A licensed smog check station shall not issue a certificate of compliance, except as authorized by this chapter, to any vehicle that meets the following criteria § 44011. Certificate of compliance or noncompliance; Exceptions (a) All motor vehicles powered by internal combustion engines that are registered within an area designated for program coverage shall be required biennially to obtain a certificate of compliance or noncompliance, except for the following: (1) All motorcycles until the department, pursuant to Section 44012, implements test procedures applicable to motorcycles. (2) All motor vehicles that have been issued a certificate of compliance or noncompliance or a repair cost waiver upon a change of ownership or initial registration in this state during the preceding six months. (3) All motor vehicles manufactured prior to the 1976 model-year (C) All motor vehicles excepted by this paragraph shall be subject to testing and to certification requirements as determined by the department, if any of the following apply:(i) The department determines through remote sensing activities or other means that there is a substantial probability that the vehicle has a tampered emission control system or would fail for other cause a smog check test as specified in Section 44012.(ii) The vehicle was previously registered outside this state and is undergoing initial registration in this state.(iii) The vehicle is being registered as a specially constructed vehicle.(iv) The vehicle has been selected for testing pursuant to Section 44014.7 or any other provision of this chapter authorizing out-of-cycle testing.

What a ridiculous over use of words... plain and simple... NOTHING in government can just be said like it is.  All the cowardly politicians making it confusing so no one can pin them down as looking to starve babies or old people!!   Why all the BS about "elderly and low income" owners???   But then they make sure they can only have one old beater!!  All that confusing going round in circles and for what?  The people we elect simply make it their number one priority to find revenue, but not make it look like that's what they're doing.  In this case , they want to stick it to the those rich classic car owners, who have such nice easy lives jus playing with their toys.... Who's going to hold their feet to the fire over that, specially if they throw old people a bone, so they can smugly stand behind their podiums and claim to be cleaning the air, while damaging one of the biggest industries in California. 

Want to create jobs in this state?  Remove all these VOODO science restrictions, and free up an industry that leads the world.. the automotive aftermarket.  Do you really think ANY of it makes the air cleaner?  There are hundreds of thousands of classic cars that get driven VERY little, contributing negligible emissions, with or without the 70s "NOX Device",   but contribute hugely to overall economy. Then these certifiably wimpy politicians can take some credit for CREATING jobs, and the revenue that flows from a healthy economy, rather than trying to hide behind 'lawyer talk' and pretend it only affects rich old guys who should be paying more taxes anyway!

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Dear thewerewolf,

I found your message on the forum regarding the registration of your 2CV as I was looking for some information to register my own 2CV (Charleston, 1986) here in California. I got the same letter from DMV asking for a letter from Citroen stating that the car complies with or meets US Federal Safety and California Emission Standards.

Were you able to get such letter?

Thank you for your help,

Pauline

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If this new policy is as bad as it sounds, pre 1968 or 1966 titles will be at a premium, like $2k even if you could find one- Maybe l had better sell my 1968 estate in California and ship it out there ASAP, you ready to roll Hugh ??? BIG AL

I'm sure you'll be fine.  I just got titles for my '67 Cooper S, and '66 MGB, and they went right through without issue.  There was no record of where the cars had come from, and they didn't care.  Your car already exists in the system, so I wouldn't sweat it.  

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If this new policy is as bad as it sounds, pre 1968 or 1966 titles will be at a premium, like $2k even if you could find one- Maybe l had better sell my 1968 estate in California and ship it out there ASAP, you ready to roll Hugh ??? BIG AL

I would think it could open a whole new industry for registering a car out of State to one of those street address mail centers that give an actual street address unlike the USPS ones which have the PO box addresses.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

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I am not sure this is actually a new regulation, but a stricter enforcement of existing resulations as noted by others in the past.

In the past the CARB rules were not consistently enforced. It appears now there is a stronger effor to be consistent.

I have attached the documents that were posted in another thread.

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If this new policy is as bad as it sounds, pre 1968 or 1966 titles will be at a premium, like $2k even if you could find one-

Maybe l had better sell my 1968 estate in California and ship it out there ASAP, you ready to roll Hugh ???

BIG AL

Niagara Ontario Canada

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Hopefully, since I've already gotten the sticker & reg once I'll be able to do it again on the little beastie. The fact they keep sending me renewal notices makes me feel better about it.

I guess California residents can only buy Cali cars from here on out? Wonder if there will be a "California titled" premium in the future?

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looks like its time for some summoning

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